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silva731



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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 10:49 pm

Kriselda Anne Moreno wrote:
As defined, learning object is a resource that is readily available, and can be used and re-used to support learning. It doesn’t necessarily have to bear the entire information. As I understand it, a learning object is basically a “summary” or “keywords” of information. You still have to do extensive reading and research, maybe the traditional way, if you want to obtain a more comprehensive work.


Josh wrote:
Gone are the days of scarcity of books and educational materials and now is the moment where knowledge is encapsulated.

If learning objects is to be construed as, content objects, strategy objects….content chunks or information containers readily available one click away, then what kind of knowledge content does it bear? Does it address quality education? Are ethical standards and values being embedded in the learning objects? What competencies of students does it aim to acquire? If automation aims to provide logical topic sequencing, does it discard the need of classroom lecturer?

My ignorance to the real issue or meaning and purpose of the articles limit me to comment further. My apology


I think I agree with miss moreno but let us also think that the less specific the internal context of the learning object, the more instructional context it would fit in. So reusability of the learning object depends on the on the speficity of the internal context. am i right?
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 10:51 pm

Cristina Mariano wrote:
admitedly the article assigned to us was quite technical and complex in the choice of the author's words. but if you noticed 3 out of the 4 guide questions, you need not read the article as the questions we posed are analytical and based on experience. it is therefore your prerogative whether or not any of you want to reply.

Josh wrote:
Gone are the days of scarcity of books and educational materials and now is the moment where knowledge is encapsulated.

If learning objects is to be construed as, content objects, strategy objects….content chunks or information containers readily available one click away, then what kind of knowledge content does it bear? Does it address quality education? Are ethical standards and values being embedded in the learning objects? What competencies of students does it aim to acquire? If automation aims to provide logical topic sequencing, does it discard the need of classroom lecturer?

My ignorance to the real issue or meaning and purpose of the articles limit me to comment further. My apology


technicality of the material is already given, but what is important is on what we have conceptualized. as we are instructed to do so, all we have to say is what we have thought of the material using other learning objects that may have help us conceptualized something.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 10:52 pm

Josh wrote:
students are like sheep, who needs a shepherd to lead its way to the meadows and the shepherd is the guiding light when the sheep will be gone astray.
No matter how rich accesible knowledge we get from web-based learning center, we still need each other to enrich what we learn and we also need a teacher who will lead us to the right direction when time comes knowledge seem to be in the dark

Divinia Joy Tuzon wrote:
Hello Kriselda! Truly, no matter how many sites and articles we try to read about a particular subject matter, it will not suffice a comprehensive learning. Hence, cooperative and interactive learning such as the approach we are using in our class will lead to a higher individual and group achievement. It also provides us with more new ideas and even solutions to existing problems. In addition, I’ve read from the Encyclopedia of Educational Technology that compared to individual or competitive work, students working in cooperative groups tend to be more intrinsically motivated, intellectually curious, caring of others, and psychologically healthy.

Baylon, C. (2005). Cooperative learning. In B. Hoffman (Ed.), Encyclopedia of Educational Technology. Retrieved August 14, 2008, from http://coe.sdsu.edu/eet/articles/coopgroups/start.htm



Kriselda Manzano wrote:
I found myself wanting more to read about the “learning objects” so I did extra reading using the net. I found lots of sites and interactive means to understand it fully. After several minutes I realized that I am using the “learning objects” to meet my cravings for knowledge!


On the contrary, I know that facing the computer for hours will not suffice learning, thus a good interaction will augment and foster better knowledge. That is the reason why our online class was created, for us to communicate and interact.


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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 10:52 pm

Learner objects, being a solution and for ease, has its limitations. One, I may say, is that it doesn't apply the learner centered approach, therefore it doesn't aim to address all types of learners, different styles, or capabilities. Quality of education may not be preserved as well. The main aim of learner objects is to be easily accesible and ready in digital, using technology, to facilitate ease.

Josh wrote:
If to facilitate learning is the objective, is the quality of education being preserved? Does it aim to address all types of learner or different capabilities and learning styles of students were considered?

Kriselda Manzano wrote:
The way I understand it, learning objects are created to make learning easier but it is inevitable for the face educators to encounter problems using them. The good side of utilizing learning object is, it facilitates breakdown of the teaching content into smaller units, self-contained, and most of the time can be re-used.


I found myself wanting more to read about the “learning objects” so I did extra reading using the net. I found lots of sites and interactive means to understand it fully. After several minutes I realized that I am using the “learning objects” to meet my cravings for knowledge!


On the contrary, I know that facing the computer for hours will not suffice learning, thus a good interaction will augment and foster better knowledge. That is the reason why our online class was created, for us to communicate and interact.




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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 10:53 pm

Hi cristina, that was very well said. the reason why i am afraid utilization of learning objects may endanger real value of acquiring knowledge. Ethico-moral aspect, quallity and integrity of knowledge should be uphold, which, in learning objects may be lost while in the process of encapsulating the knowledge.
Cristina Mariano wrote:
It is indeed true that automated materials and the electronic medias are easy to access and is convenient for readers. However, the substantial risk of these is the quality of texts that we get and utilize from the internet that we have to evaluate. Going to libraries and doing the traditional reading of books, journals and other materials will be the best tool to utilize combined with the e-banks of sources in the internet.

This clearly depicts the timely utilization of technology in planning the learning objectives of the study. We should be aware to combat the issues along with the traditional style of putting the context of learning object into usage. Since scoping may be done to address and limit the study into 1 topic, it paves the way for students learn to practice and apply their learnings into actual practice.

Reusing materials is one way to keep important aspects of the literatures intact in a way that it should not be too tiring for the instructors. Knowing how to design and put correct variables of a context into the learning object is critical because misplaced variables may affect the understanding of the entire learnings presented which may lead to the so-called “Sixth sense” where students end up thinking they learn something which is totally not there.

The principles of the education system and its core should be preserved in a manner that it is not being given away. Open course projects bare valuable education but not the core values itself. The world is such an immense place where hybrids of sorts of learners live in and with enriching styles and approaches to tickle their learning is of a great challenge to the instructor with the use of the learning objectives.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 10:57 pm

It is not my intention not to reply or conceptualize, the reson why i started aasking questions is to stimulate my mind and maybe others to dig deeper into the issue.
silva731 wrote:
Cristina Mariano wrote:
admitedly the article assigned to us was quite technical and complex in the choice of the author's words. but if you noticed 3 out of the 4 guide questions, you need not read the article as the questions we posed are analytical and based on experience. it is therefore your prerogative whether or not any of you want to reply.

Josh wrote:
Gone are the days of scarcity of books and educational materials and now is the moment where knowledge is encapsulated.

If learning objects is to be construed as, content objects, strategy objects….content chunks or information containers readily available one click away, then what kind of knowledge content does it bear? Does it address quality education? Are ethical standards and values being embedded in the learning objects? What competencies of students does it aim to acquire? If automation aims to provide logical topic sequencing, does it discard the need of classroom lecturer?

My ignorance to the real issue or meaning and purpose of the articles limit me to comment further. My apology


technicality of the material is already given, but what is important is on what we have conceptualized. as we are instructed to do so, all we have to say is what we have thought of the material using other learning objects that may have help us conceptualized something.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:03 pm

Hello josh! In as much as I am trying to analyze and ponder on the questions raised, I guess it is on the instructors manner of trimming down the context and really thinking of what point or issues to include will definately guide him to what to put in and out of the context. Scoping it into one topic will enable students learn and analyze and apply the concepts and at the same time reinforce learning as they encounter problem based scenarios from the learnings they have derived in the process.. Smile

Josh wrote:
Hi cristina, that was very well said. the reason why i am afraid utilization of learning objects may endanger real value of acquiring knowledge. Ethico-moral aspect, quallity and integrity of knowledge should be uphold, which, in learning objects may be lost while in the process of encapsulating the knowledge.
Cristina Mariano wrote:
It is indeed true that automated materials and the electronic medias are easy to access and is convenient for readers. However, the substantial risk of these is the quality of texts that we get and utilize from the internet that we have to evaluate. Going to libraries and doing the traditional reading of books, journals and other materials will be the best tool to utilize combined with the e-banks of sources in the internet.

This clearly depicts the timely utilization of technology in planning the learning objectives of the study. We should be aware to combat the issues along with the traditional style of putting the context of learning object into usage. Since scoping may be done to address and limit the study into 1 topic, it paves the way for students learn to practice and apply their learnings into actual practice.

Reusing materials is one way to keep important aspects of the literatures intact in a way that it should not be too tiring for the instructors. Knowing how to design and put correct variables of a context into the learning object is critical because misplaced variables may affect the understanding of the entire learnings presented which may lead to the so-called “Sixth sense” where students end up thinking they learn something which is totally not there.

The principles of the education system and its core should be preserved in a manner that it is not being given away. Open course projects bare valuable education but not the core values itself. The world is such an immense place where hybrids of sorts of learners live in and with enriching styles and approaches to tickle their learning is of a great challenge to the instructor with the use of the learning objectives.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:07 pm

Josh wrote:
It is not my intention not to reply or conceptualize, the reson why i started aasking questions is to stimulate my mind and maybe others to dig deeper into the issue.
silva731 wrote:
Cristina Mariano wrote:
admitedly the article assigned to us was quite technical and complex in the choice of the author's words. but if you noticed 3 out of the 4 guide questions, you need not read the article as the questions we posed are analytical and based on experience. it is therefore your prerogative whether or not any of you want to reply.

Josh wrote:
Gone are the days of scarcity of books and educational materials and now is the moment where knowledge is encapsulated.

If learning objects is to be construed as, content objects, strategy objects….content chunks or information containers readily available one click away, then what kind of knowledge content does it bear? Does it address quality education? Are ethical standards and values being embedded in the learning objects? What competencies of students does it aim to acquire? If automation aims to provide logical topic sequencing, does it discard the need of classroom lecturer?

My ignorance to the real issue or meaning and purpose of the articles limit me to comment further. My apology


technicality of the material is already given, but what is important is on what we have conceptualized. as we are instructed to do so, all we have to say is what we have thought of the material using other learning objects that may have help us conceptualized something.


i agree with that, i also tried to reply with your first query. for us to go deeper to this article.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:10 pm

Josh,

As i understand the article, the reason why learning objects are utilized is breakdown the teaching content into smaller unit thus making learning a bit easier.

Like what I’ve said earlier, a good learning must be in the form of interaction to foster better knowledge. Communication is a good vehicle for this. Excellent education will be preserved if human interaction sets in.

Not all types of learners can utilize the learning objects specially the young. That is where the role of the teacher as the facilitator takes place.





Josh wrote:
If to facilitate learning is the objective, is the quality of education being preserved? Does it aim to address all types of learner or different capabilities and learning styles of students were considered?

Kriselda Manzano wrote:
The way I understand it, learning objects are created to make learning easier but it is inevitable for the face educators to encounter problems using them. The good side of utilizing learning object is, it facilitates breakdown of the teaching content into smaller units, self-contained, and most of the time can be re-used.


I found myself wanting more to read about the “learning objects” so I did extra reading using the net. I found lots of sites and interactive means to understand it fully. After several minutes I realized that I am using the “learning objects” to meet my cravings for knowledge!


On the contrary, I know that facing the computer for hours will not suffice learning, thus a good interaction will augment and foster better knowledge. That is the reason why our online class was created, for us to communicate and interact.




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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:19 pm

Very well said krissy. the reason why we, as educators/facilitators should be cautious and always uphold what knowledge and where to get the knowledge we facilitate to our students.
Kriselda Manzano wrote:
Josh,

As i understand the article, the reason why learning objects are utilized is breakdown the teaching content into smaller unit thus making learning a bit easier.

Like what I’ve said earlier, a good learning must be in the form of interaction to foster better knowledge. Communication is a good vehicle for this. Excellent education will be preserved if human interaction sets in.

Not all types of learners can utilize the learning objects specially the young. That is where the role of the teacher as the facilitator takes place.





Josh wrote:
If to facilitate learning is the objective, is the quality of education being preserved? Does it aim to address all types of learner or different capabilities and learning styles of students were considered?

Kriselda Manzano wrote:
The way I understand it, learning objects are created to make learning easier but it is inevitable for the face educators to encounter problems using them. The good side of utilizing learning object is, it facilitates breakdown of the teaching content into smaller units, self-contained, and most of the time can be re-used.


I found myself wanting more to read about the “learning objects” so I did extra reading using the net. I found lots of sites and interactive means to understand it fully. After several minutes I realized that I am using the “learning objects” to meet my cravings for knowledge!


On the contrary, I know that facing the computer for hours will not suffice learning, thus a good interaction will augment and foster better knowledge. That is the reason why our online class was created, for us to communicate and interact.




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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:21 pm

Hello Sir Josh. You posed a very interesting question. I tried to read more about the topic and hopefully this could help. Advances in communication technology paved the way for a feasible educational option such as the utilization of learning objects. The idea in virtual or distant learning is that a teacher can reach his or her students in remote locations, which enables students to learn subjects to which they would not otherwise have access. This is its major advantage – it allows anyone, anywhere, to study anything. Learning objects also allow students to progress at their own pace (from simple to complex or from one topic after another) which makes them eventually knowledgeable and competent in the long run.

It is a fact that not everyone has embraced this development. Critics charge that it is cold and impersonal, and although there are opportunities for classroom camaraderie (through e-mail and electronic bulletin boards, for example), it doesn’t replicate the experience of a real classroom (Stennes, n.d.).

Stennes further adds that historically, virtual learning has tended to be a little dry, relying mainly on text and graphs to convey information. Advances in computing power and communication networks are changing this, but multimedia-learning experiences remain richer and easier in a traditional classroom setting. Moreover, the use of object learning makes students more initiative than traditional classroom learning, a value that object learning offers its students if that is what you are looking for.

However, I understand your point. Just like what I’ve mentioned from my first reply, I still prefer going to the library and borrow books instead of using the internet as a resource. I firmly believe that though web-based learning is a beneficial educational tool nowadays, it cannot and will probably never replace, traditional learning. In order to maximize its effectiveness though, it still depends on the educators to develop, adapt and modify a teaching technique designed to properly meet the needs of the students.

I hope this could help in any way. Smile

Stennes, C. (n. d.). Advantages and Disadvantages of Web-based Learning. Retrieved August 14, 2008 from http://www.resourcesunlimited.com


Josh wrote:
students are like sheep, who needs a shepherd to lead its way to the meadows and the shepherd is the guiding light when the sheep will be gone astray.
No matter how rich accesible knowledge we get from web-based learning center, we still need each other to enrich what we learn and we also need a teacher who will lead us to the right direction when time comes knowledge seem to be in the dark

Divinia Joy Tuzon wrote:
Hello Kriselda! Truly, no matter how many sites and articles we try to read about a particular subject matter, it will not suffice a comprehensive learning. Hence, cooperative and interactive learning such as the approach we are using in our class will lead to a higher individual and group achievement. It also provides us with more new ideas and even solutions to existing problems. In addition, I’ve read from the Encyclopedia of Educational Technology that compared to individual or competitive work, students working in cooperative groups tend to be more intrinsically motivated, intellectually curious, caring of others, and psychologically healthy.

Baylon, C. (2005). Cooperative learning. In B. Hoffman (Ed.), Encyclopedia of Educational Technology. Retrieved August 14, 2008, from http://coe.sdsu.edu/eet/articles/coopgroups/start.htm


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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:21 pm


hi tina,
combining traditional and technological learning leads to a good or even excellent outcome. One must be diligent enough to sort items that are substantial and considered necessary for learning to avoid erroneous information in the future.




Cristina Mariano wrote:
It is indeed true that automated materials and the electronic medias are easy to access and is convenient for readers. However, the substantial risk of these is the quality of texts that we get and utilize from the internet that we have to evaluate. Going to libraries and doing the traditional reading of books, journals and other materials will be the best tool to utilize combined with the e-banks of sources in the internet.

This clearly depicts the timely utilization of technology in planning the learning objectives of the study. We should be aware to combat the issues along with the traditional style of putting the context of learning object into usage. Since scoping may be done to address and limit the study into 1 topic, it paves the way for students learn to practice and apply their learnings into actual practice.

Reusing materials is one way to keep important aspects of the literatures intact in a way that it should not be too tiring for the instructors. Knowing how to design and put correct variables of a context into the learning object is critical because misplaced variables may affect the understanding of the entire learnings presented which may lead to the so-called “Sixth sense” where students end up thinking they learn something which is totally not there.

The principles of the education system and its core should be preserved in a manner that it is not being given away. Open course projects bare valuable education but not the core values itself. The world is such an immense place where hybrids of sorts of learners live in and with enriching styles and approaches to tickle their learning is of a great challenge to the instructor with the use of the learning objectives.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:24 pm

I admit that it took me a while to understand the article. Reading it once is not enough, so I found ways to better understand it, like using the internet. Which, in the end, I realized that I am already living the content of the article.

Learning objects are not far from any other instructional materials. Though it is characterized as small, independent and stored in database, I think, it serves the same purpose. It is an agent for acquiring information and even deepening one's knowledge. I think it is flexible, since it adapts to the needs of the learner and to the changing times. It may cater to an interactive group discussion or for mere personal use. Since it include flash diagrams to audio or visual presentations, it can activate three of our senses all at the same time; visual, hear and feel. I think its essence is to facilitate learning in accordance with the demand of the learner, via providing support groups.

Our online classes is a good example of a learning object. I admit that I am having a tough time. In fact, it was a shame when I posted a wrong entry during my statistic class in the yahoo groups. Everytime I encounter problems on ignorance on the net, I have to pull out my guts to I ask my classmates (krissie, patrick and ian), the time I had trouble posting my reflection for example. I think this limits me in expressing and sharing my thoughts. Since I have been used to the traditional way of acquiring knowledge via books and other library materials, I am still adjusting and adapting to the new way of learning. Nevertheless, I am thankful to those who helped me. What I like most in this style of learning is its being collaborative. I hope soon, when I get used to this technique, I'll be able to pass my knowledge efficiently on to others. It builds a positive relationship towards colleagues and even the instructor. What hinders me also, in evidence of my late entries, is that my laptop broke down so I have to find a computer shop whenever there's a need.

In my opinion the O2 model overcomes the traditional approach through its characteristics as discussed in the article: decontextualized learning, etc. What made an impact on me is its reusability whereby there are no restrictions in the utilization of the resources, thus giving the learner opportunities and personality. In general, I think that this context is a good tool for learning, a healthy challenge in fact for adults. But I still opted the traditional approach especially for building the foundation of education to children.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:26 pm

to josh, Smile

I guess the substance that automated materials hold is (may be) less credible compared to books and evidensed based researches then this address the type of learning students patronize. Since automated use is widely used everywhere quality education may be questionable if learners focuses only on these materials as major references.

I guess as like what ma'am joy has said regarding on the impact of the statement: “If good content were enough to support learning and human interaction were unnecessary, libraries would never have evolved into universities.”, going to libraries also teaches us the value of patience and resourcefulness along the process of exploring through books and journals, extensive and valuable informations are gained by us.

No, for me it does not discard the need for classroom lectures, all these go hand in hand together to continually lead the learners of the path of learning fuitfully.

Josh wrote:
It is not my intention not to reply or conceptualize, the reson why i started aasking questions is to stimulate my mind and maybe others to dig deeper into the issue.
silva731 wrote:
Cristina Mariano wrote:
admitedly the article assigned to us was quite technical and complex in the choice of the author's words. but if you noticed 3 out of the 4 guide questions, you need not read the article as the questions we posed are analytical and based on experience. it is therefore your prerogative whether or not any of you want to reply.

Josh wrote:
Gone are the days of scarcity of books and educational materials and now is the moment where knowledge is encapsulated.

If learning objects is to be construed as, content objects, strategy objects….content chunks or information containers readily available one click away, then what kind of knowledge content does it bear? Does it address quality education? Are ethical standards and values being embedded in the learning objects? What competencies of students does it aim to acquire? If automation aims to provide logical topic sequencing, does it discard the need of classroom lecturer?

My ignorance to the real issue or meaning and purpose of the articles limit me to comment further. My apology


technicality of the material is already given, but what is important is on what we have conceptualized. as we are instructed to do so, all we have to say is what we have thought of the material using other learning objects that may have help us conceptualized something.
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PostSubject: Re: Discussion Forum 2   Thu 14 Aug 2008, 11:32 pm

I have encountered a website wherein the PROS and CONS of learning object were smoothly delivered. You can visit it for better understanding.

http://www.eduworks.com/LOTT/Tutorial/prosandcons.html


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