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    The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

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    railibo-
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    Post  railibo- on Fri 14 Aug 2009, 8:08 pm

    hmm..that's a nice insight lorraine. I too believe that it is important that in taking care of children with deformities, everyone in the family should be included. I have a churchmate who has a child with a deformity. Ive observed that each member of the family were really supportive and caring towards that child and it really has a positive effect on the child. ^_^

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    Post  anlorrai on Fri 14 Aug 2009, 7:08 pm

    2. Another concept of justice is “Equals shall be treated equally” (Gustafson: 113-114). In principle, all children in the family belong to a class of equals and should be treated equally. Does a child with severe abnormalities belong to a class of equals? If he does, then he should be treated equally with others. But to treat him equally with others would be unfair to him because of his particular needs as a malformed child. If he does not belong to a class of equals, then he should be treated in a special way (i.e., unequally with others) because of his condition. But to treat him unequally (i.e., in a special way) would be unfair to the others who should be treated equally with him. How would you resolve this apparent dilemma of equality with regard to the moral issue of birth abnormality?
    For me, yes. Like what I have said awhile ago it depends on the strategy of the parents on how they will going to balance everything. In the first place they have to explain everything to their children about the case of their severely deformed sibling and allow them to be involved in taking care of their severely deformed sibling and I think through that they will realize and understand the situation of their severely deformed sibling and they will also realize that they are so bless they aren’t in the place of their severely deformed sibling.

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    Post  anlorrai on Fri 14 Aug 2009, 7:06 pm

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    Post  anlorrai on Fri 14 Aug 2009, 7:02 pm

    1. In Rawl’s view, justice is fairness, e.g., “to each his due” (Gustafson, James M. 1987. Mongolism, Parental Desires, and the Right to Life. Bioethics. Third edition. New Jersey: Paulist Press). Would it be “fair” to raise a severely deformed baby with the other children in the family? Would the other children get what is due them alongside the inordinate requirements of time, energy, and financial resources that would be required to raise or save the severely malformed child? Or, if the other children did receive what is due them, would there be sufficient time, energy and other resources to attend to the particular (nay, special) needs of the deformed child? Discuss your views among your classmates.
    For me yes, it is fair to raise a severely deformed baby because in the first place that is a gift from God. Created in the image and likeness of God though physically he/she may looks gruesome; however he/she is still a human being who needs to be accepted and be love for what he/she is. Like what other had said, it still depends on the parenting skills of the parents on how to balance everything in order to meet the needs of their children.

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    Post  ara_portillo on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 11:06 pm

    >>The second principle contains elements of other familiar ethical theories. The "socialist" idea that responsibilities or burdens should be distibuted according to ability and benefits according to need is partly contained within the Difference Principle.

    We may reasonably assume that the "least advantaged" have the greatest needs and that those who receive special powers (hinted at under "social inequalities") also have special responsibilities or burdens.

    However, the merit principle that the use of special skills should be rewarded is also included in the Difference Principle. What the Difference Principle does not permit is a change in social and economic institutions that makes life better for those who are already well off but does nothing for those who are already disadvantaged, or makes their life worse.

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    Re: The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

    Post  Althea Perez on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 11:05 pm

    For raiza's question:

    i believe that like what ara said, it depends on the style and acknowledgment of the parents on how they will raise their children. Most especially if they are prepared with this kind of situation.

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    Post  railibo- on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 11:04 pm

    Goodevening ladies

    I’m Raiza and I will be the moderator for the 2nd Moral issue.

    Same rules apply.

    Here is the 2nd Moral issue:

    2. Another concept of justice is “Equals shall be treated equally” (Gustafson: 113-114). In principle, all children in the family belong to a class of equals and should be treated equally. Does a child with severe abnormalities belong to a class of equals? If he does, then he should be treated equally with others. But to treat him equally with others would be unfair to him because of his particular needs as a malformed child. If he does not belong to a class of equals, then he should be treated in a special way (i.e., unequally with others) because of his condition. But to treat him unequally (i.e., in a special way) would be unfair to the others who should be treated equally with him.

    Question:
    How would you resolve this apparent dilemma of equality with regard to the moral issue of birth abnormality?

    Before I give you my insight I would like to share with you these bible verses.

    “For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Your works are wonderful, i know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.” Psalm 139:13-16

    I do believe that every child is a creation of God. They should be considered as a gift---either normal or with birth defects. Each one is considered as a wonderful proof of life. They are still considered as HUMAN who can experience pain, joy and all emotions though they may show differently from other normal children. A human being that deserves respect and protection as well as love and care. It is only right that they should be treated equally. Parents with children borne with abnormalities should remember to let themselves enjoy their child the same way any parent would — by cuddling or playing, watching for developmental milestones (even if they're different from those in children without birth defect), and sharing their joy with family members and friends.

    That child belong to the same class, that is he too is also a Human being…A human being that has special needs. If treating him in a special would seem unfair to other then you must explain to them the reason why.

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    Re: The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

    Post  jenny c. on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 11:03 pm

    bye everyone!gtg!Very Happy

    see u soon!:p

    ara_portillo

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    For the case..

    Post  ara_portillo on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 11:02 pm

    Also, in deciding for the second question, i think it will uphold the notion of Rawls of justice as fairness as an illustration of a political conception of justice. This affirms the second principle in this notion: Social and economic inequalities are to satisfy two conditions. First, they must be attached to offices and positions open to all under conditions of fair equality of opportunity; and second, they must be to the greatest benefit of the least advantaged members of society.



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    Re: The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

    Post  Althea Perez on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 11:01 pm

    Thanks for your answers ara, tina, raiza, angel and jenny.


    We all believe in the idea of equality. That there will be no problem if at the first place, a just explanation to the children is given. In a family where a special child lives, comparison should be set aside. Understanding and acceptance should occur.

    Let me leave you a quote by Sir Charles de Montesquieu "In the state of nature...all men are born equal, but they cannot continue in this equality. Society makes them lose it, and they recover it only by the protection of the law."

    Law-- in legal or in familial form. Family most especially the parents protects the children from unjust happenings in this world.


    Thank you classmates. This night is kinda off-beat for us.
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    Re: The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

    Post  railibo- on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 11:01 pm

    You have a point there Thea. Hmm, so what you mean is that their decision to raise the child will be affected by their morals in life?

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    Post  jenny c. on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:58 pm

    i believe...

    that if we apply the principles of rawl's in this case, both the normal children and the deformed child will be of equal stand...however, it was not indicated here kc the whole scenario of the family...if we look into other aspects of their lives, maybe, we will be able to figure a good stand that is ethically and morally acceptable and just.

    like for example, the resources available to the family, the relationship within the family and will it be accepted in the family...

    but, for me...if raising the child is the less evil choice for the family...and that is how they believe it...therefore, the question of it being fair or not should not be asked.

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    Post  Angel Ve on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:53 pm

    I think yes... it would depend on how the parents would treat their children and balance the situation. Like if on the start they have already explained that having a sibling with severe deformity entails a specific care which could be different from the other child, like there would be more assistance and guidance, still their time and attention in terms of the differences in the needs of their children should be equally acted upon by the parents.

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    Post  ara on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:51 pm

    > i think this would address the issue of parenting style and parenting skills.. or how would the parents strike a balance in giving care for both children.

    Though it is obvious that the malformed ones will really have more needs than that of the other children, the parents must be able to make the other people understand the condition of their other siblings. Same way, despite the business of the parents on the other child, they should not make their other children suffer..

    >> thea, i'm having problems with my net connection..Embarassed

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    Re: The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

    Post  ma. cristina arroyo on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:48 pm

    it will be hard on the part of the parents but again, if Rawls theory will be applied then it'll be easier because they will view the children as equals having their physiological and psychological needs..

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    Re: The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

    Post  ma. cristina arroyo on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:46 pm

    i think so, it depends on how the parents will balance the situation, both for the normal and severely deformed kid.

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    Post  railibo- on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:43 pm

    i do believe that there will be enough for both the normal child and the deformed child. It's just a matter of proper balancing on the part of the parent as well as involving their normal child in the provision of care to the deformed child.

    Althea Perez

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    Post  Althea Perez on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:35 pm

    Thank you for your answers, tina, ara,jenny, angel and raiza.

    We believe that is only fair for the children with deformities to be raise with other children. By simply following Rawl's theory of social justice, people are under the veil of ignorance, in which they disregard or set aside, personal biases, social classes as well as conditions whether physically or emotionally.


    For our next questios (2 & 3)

    Would the other children get what is due them alongside the inordinate requirements that would be required to raise or save the severely malformed child?

    Or, if the other children did receive what is due them, would there be sufficient time, energy and other resources to attend to the particular (nay, special) needs of the deformed child?

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    Post  railibo- on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:33 pm

    Yes Thea, I do believe that it's only fair that they are raised with other children. As long as the parent could explain to their 'normal' children the situation.

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    Post  jenny c. on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:31 pm

    it is precisely ethical and moral to say that with under the principle of "veil of ignorance" everyone should be given fair and just rights that is similar to others- which is the right to live.

    however, the principle of veil of ignorance is just another face of the reality for us to further understand and apply this propositions of Rawl. As what is mentioned by tina, a lot of factors should also be taken into consideration until we finally say that what is just to the other child will be just and will not compromise the other children's rights.


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    Althea Perez

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    Re: The Moral Issue of Birth Deformities: Online Class Day 4

    Post  Althea Perez on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:29 pm

    raiza, i believe they have a right to live in this world. but do you think it would be fair to raise them with other children?

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    Post  Althea Perez on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:29 pm

    it is precisely ethical and moral to say that with under the principle of "veil of ignorance" everyone should be given fair and just rights that is similar to others- which is the right to live.

    however, the principle of veil of ignorance is just another face of the reality for us to further understand and apply this propositions of Rawl. As what is mentioned by tina, a lot of factors should also be taken into consideration until we finally say that what is just to the other child will be just and will not compromise the other children's rights.

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    Post  railibo- on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:28 pm

    I do believe that they too have the right to live in this world. Because they are still HUMAN BEINGS.

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    Answer 1

    Post  Angel Ve on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:23 pm

    According to Rawls, behind veil of ignorance all individuals are simply specified as rational, free, and morally equal beings. In relation to question number 1, it would be fair to raise a severely deformed child with the other child in the family though in the “real world” there is a wide variety of differences with regards to their cognition, thought process, abilities and development that distinguish the deformed child from the other. Although the family could not actually eliminate all of their personal biases and prejudice, they should atleast take steps to minimize them. Each person has a right to live and to be treated fairly.

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    Post  ma. cristina arroyo on Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:19 pm

    for the rest of the person's life. that is the rawls' concept of justice, people must be under the veil of ignorance.

    further, the theory states, "Among the essential features of this situation is that no one knows his place in society, his class position or social status, nor does anyone know his fortune in the distribution of natural assets and abilities, his intelligence, strength, and the like."

    thus, severely deformed person can join the normal kids in the family just as long as concept of justice accdg to rawls is used, for they themselves and the people around them do not know their position, social status, intelligence and the like in society so there would be no point of comparison for this severely deformed individual.

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